I know a guy who wears the same outfit everyday. He wears the same STYLE of t-shirt, underwear and socks, but his jeans and shoes are the EXACT same pair. He is not poor, dirty, smelly nor does his work require him to dress this way. He showers often and cares about his appearance/fashion as the products/clothing he owns are designer labels.
I once suggested he wear something other than his %26quot;uniform%26quot; to a party we were going and he was highly objective. When shopping, he gets VERY ANGRY %26amp; FRUSTRATED and finds something wrong with everything he tries on--despite him being the perfect size for clothes.
What is all this about? Please explain in detail, I have two Psych degrees and I really want to understand this.
What is the psychology behind wearing the same clothes everyday?
So when he shops for clothes, he really hates all of the clothes that aren%26#039;t just like his clothes.
He is used to the stuff that he wears, and finds anything else upsetting -- because they don%26#039;t feel right, because they change his visual field in an alien and disconcerting way.
Clothes are a second skin -- they cover you, are in contact with a lot of your surface area, and change your visual field (filling a portion of it with their color and pattern). For these reasons, they are kind of a big deal.
I, myself, am sensitive to a LOT of fabrics -- I shop first by touch, as there are a lot of clothes that feel like nettles to me.
A few months ago I stumbled on a documentary on PBS that was a How To for parents of kids who hate anything new. They talked about clothes being one of the problems (the kids throw tantrums when asked to wear new clothes -- but then they resist any new anything).
Seeing this (which I%26#039;ve thought about a lot since) is what made me %26quot;unpack%26quot; that tidbit of information about the shopping and his general resistance as I did.
The main thing I%26#039;d say to you, however, is to leave him alone and stop bugging him about it. (Did you mean to say, when you suggested he change for the party, that he was %26quot;objective%26quot;? What did he say?)
You might try searching for info (or on PBS to see materials related to that show I came in on and don%26#039;t know the name of) on %26quot;the timid child.%26quot;
If I%26#039;m reading your friend right, he%26#039;s one of these. It%26#039;s genetic, some people react with aversion to the new.
All of the above is just guesswork, mind.
Reply:The clothes are his image, he may have some low self-esteem and may have some perfectionist traits.
I wear the exact same pair of jeans or shorts and shoes sometimes depending on my situation the next day but I%26#039;m not stuck on them.
Reply:a) if you have two psych degrees, and you%26#039;re looking for answers HERE, you need to rethink your gameplan.
b) why are you asking US why someone else does what they do? try asking HIM.
Reply:I really feel comfortable in Danskin, and Land%26#039;s End clothing and will buy a couple pairs of pants in different colors.
You suggested he wear something different at a party....were you trying to push his buttons? or just being a friend, and if you were a friend, I would still be a good friend regardless of his clothing style.
Reply:He%26#039;s found a style of clothing he feels comfortable in and thinks he looks good in. Leave him alone or you spend your money and buy him a new wardrobe.
Reply:Maybe he likes his pants and shoes.
Reply:Maybe he feels that by not changing his jeans and shoes, that it%26#039;s something he can say is constant. No matter what comes or goes, his jeans and shoes will always be the same until he dies.
Other than that, I have no idea. No degrees either. Also dido that guy above me, why don%26#039;t you ask him?
Reply:Better than being bollocks!
Reply:If you find something you like, you gotta stick with it. Think about it. He%26#039;s happy enough with these items that he doesent need to change them daily. I think deep down you actually very jealous of this man. He%26#039;s content with his apperance, when you on the other hand have to shop regularly and still havent found the happiness he has. Also, you want him.... :dodgy:
Reply:first all extremely great answer. also what the hell and who the hell is man. this guy must a homeless guy with no money. does he eat.
Reply:Identity, Every human being on the face of this earth searches for that one item, in order to find their niche in this world. Some time that Identity can be associated with a school, some use basket ball shirts, some use base ball shirts, some just use appeal. and many used make-up. all to have their own unique identity. Police use their uniforms. There are many oh so many things that people use to id themselves. All to say I belong...... Why? one reason is because of the way we are educated, others are because the government you live under wants to force separation between the racists in order to prevent the racists from presenting an united front. And believe me they would bomb cities and kill millions in order to prevent that from happening. Some people do it because they simply don%26#039;t wish to change period....................... I have a Ph.D. In The Philosophy Of Psychology. (With Degree in Clinical Psychology Both are Majors)
Reply:Every outfit envokes an emotion.. so whatever emotion this outfit envokes is the emotion this individual probably identifies with the most.
Reply:How do you know he%26#039;s wearing different underwear every day? I%26#039;m not judging, just don%26#039;t think anyone else noticed that...
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Wednesday, April 15, 2009
Where do you draw the line?
I%26#039;ve stopped eating meat, and consuming milk (directly, i%26#039;ve come to accept the fact that it is virtually impossible to avoid small traces of milk in pre-packaged foods) and eggs (which i avoid in all purchased foods but use rspca approved for my pasta, which is about half a dozen a fortnight). I%26#039;ve turned to Natio so that my body care and makeup are animal cruelty free (except lipsticks which i don%26#039;t wear anyway.
So whats my prob? I need shoes... and i live in rural tasmania, and i%26#039;m financially limited, and i need good shoes for my upcoming trip to Nz, and i can%26#039;t find any non-crappy, non-leather shoes here!
But most of all, i struggle with drawing the line as far as what i use and consume that contains animal products. i%26#039;m limited in my location, and try where i can to avoid them but do i? When am i just making excuses? I want to save these animals from suffering, so should i just buy these crappy shoes and be done with it? Why does the world make it so impossible!!
Where do you draw the line?
Tough question, Jai, but I guess you draw the line at practicality. I don%26#039;t always understand why vegetarians feel compelled to give up milk and eggs, since animals are kept alive---not killed-- to produce those products. However, I grew up on a dairy farm and at that time, everything was %26quot;free range.%26quot; If you avoid them because of the living conditions of the animals, I understand that. In my state, the dairy cattle still roam the pastures and move from the mountains to the valleys in winter and summer. I don%26#039;t know much about chicken farms. We get eggs from a friend and her chickens are totally %26quot;free range.%26quot; I avoid meat, but do have to wear leather belts and boots where I live. (Western U.S. state that still has working cowboys). My logic is that the animals were not killed for their hides. They were killed for their meat and the leather is just a useable py-product. That%26#039;s somewhat of a cop-out, I know, but I live in the state that had the largest cattle drive in history a fews weeks ago and have a lot of rancher friends. If everyone quit wearing leather, the death of cattle would not decrease. These are beef cattle raised for their meat. On the other hand, I would not wear ostrich or alligator boots. These are animals killed primary for their skin (I think). I know some people eat ostrich and perhaps alligators, but that is not common in the U.S. Also, my leather boots last me (and I%26#039;m serious) 20 years of more. I%26#039;m doing less environmental harm by wearing leather than by buying crappy artificial materials that have to be replaced frequently. In life, sometimes we just have to make tough choices out of practicality. To really be environmentally conscious, you would need to know how the artifical shoes were manufactured and how much energy was used to do so; how much pollution resulted--a lot of stuff that would be hard to learn. If you use leather, your inquiries are much more limited. You know the animal was raised and killed, but it wasn%26#039;t killed just to create leather. Anyway, very good question.
Reply:You draw the line where you feel most comfortable drawing it. The transition from vegetarianism into veganism is a fluid concept with no 100%. The baseline is set, but after that we find where we feel most comfortable and most able to succeed. Right now you are making good progress in your vegetarianism. When you feel ready to take the next step, then you take it.
The only people who %26quot;fail%26quot; at veg*anism are those who do too much too fast and they don%26#039;t know how to function.
You may want to take a bit more time to look for non-leather shoes because I can see how uncomfortable it would be to wear animal skin. Or get a pair of leather now and look for non-leather pairs to wear in the future. Until then, you are a vegetarian who owns a pair of leather shoes.
:)
There are honestly a lot of good non-leather shoes out there. I got a pair of vegan Docs about 5 years ago and I am still wearing them. Check out the mooshoes websites; they may have what you want.
Reply:Maybe you could look for some gently used leather shoes from a yard sale, thrift store or friends/neighbors? That way you%26#039;re making use of something that would have gone to waste otherwise.
Reply:The way the world is, it%26#039;s impossible to be completely cruelty free. Do what you can, but if there are shoes that are made better that aren%26#039;t vegan and you have no good alternative, buy the non-vegan shoes. I%26#039;m actually in the same dilemma right now. The only shoes I can find that are completely vegan friendly come from Wal-Mart...and they don%26#039;t look like they%26#039;d make good jogging shoes. Don%26#039;t feel bad if you have to do things that don%26#039;t agree with your way of life, since there really would be no decent alternative anyway. Just be glad you%26#039;re doing all you can which is more than most people can say.
Reply:Hooray!! someone else who won%26#039;t drink milk or eat eggs. I won%26#039;t either. My reason is different than yours though. You see, my dad made my brother %26amp; I clean the cows utters with this smelly antibacterial stuff before he milked them. I couldn%26#039;t stand it. Just the thought of drinking milk after cleaning utters, is utterly (DUH) disgusting. I also had to gather eggs, 200 chicken and clean the coops. But I do applaud you. I wish my husband would be vegatarian, I would rather go without meat. I won%26#039;t by any clothes, shoes, that are made from animals. Many say, %26quot;What%26#039;s the difference, the animal is already dead, why not use all of it?%26quot; There are so many pro%26#039;s %26amp; cons about that. If people stopped eating meat, our planet would be overun with domesticate animals that we farm. I just don%26#039;t like they way they slaughter them. The same for shell fish. I won%26#039;t eat that either, I think there has to be a better way to kill lobster than dropping them in boiling water. I saw my mother do it once because my dad caught a lobster. This was in the 50%26#039;s. We actually heard a terrible sound come from that poor animal. Boy, I sure got off the track, I%26#039;m sorry, If I were you, I would buy the crappy shoes. Bad side of that is, they won%26#039;t last long. Tough choice for you to make.
Reply:The Internet, actually, opens the whole world to you. Shop on-line! When you chose a lifestyle that is a bit out of the norm, it takes a little effort. Good for you, but don%26#039;t get lazy! Just because your lifestyle takes a little more planning and effort doesn%26#039;t mean you should just throw your hands up in despair!
Reply:I don%26#039;t know what to tell you, I guess it depends on how badly you need the shoes? Can you not go on Ebay and find some crappy non leather shoes? From a personal point of view, I would buy the leather shoes. Why? The leather shoes will fit better, and last longer than the non leather, as well as allowing your feet to breathe to help prevent foot odor. I applaud your dedication though.
Reply:what a big question hard to read and answer!
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So whats my prob? I need shoes... and i live in rural tasmania, and i%26#039;m financially limited, and i need good shoes for my upcoming trip to Nz, and i can%26#039;t find any non-crappy, non-leather shoes here!
But most of all, i struggle with drawing the line as far as what i use and consume that contains animal products. i%26#039;m limited in my location, and try where i can to avoid them but do i? When am i just making excuses? I want to save these animals from suffering, so should i just buy these crappy shoes and be done with it? Why does the world make it so impossible!!
Where do you draw the line?
Tough question, Jai, but I guess you draw the line at practicality. I don%26#039;t always understand why vegetarians feel compelled to give up milk and eggs, since animals are kept alive---not killed-- to produce those products. However, I grew up on a dairy farm and at that time, everything was %26quot;free range.%26quot; If you avoid them because of the living conditions of the animals, I understand that. In my state, the dairy cattle still roam the pastures and move from the mountains to the valleys in winter and summer. I don%26#039;t know much about chicken farms. We get eggs from a friend and her chickens are totally %26quot;free range.%26quot; I avoid meat, but do have to wear leather belts and boots where I live. (Western U.S. state that still has working cowboys). My logic is that the animals were not killed for their hides. They were killed for their meat and the leather is just a useable py-product. That%26#039;s somewhat of a cop-out, I know, but I live in the state that had the largest cattle drive in history a fews weeks ago and have a lot of rancher friends. If everyone quit wearing leather, the death of cattle would not decrease. These are beef cattle raised for their meat. On the other hand, I would not wear ostrich or alligator boots. These are animals killed primary for their skin (I think). I know some people eat ostrich and perhaps alligators, but that is not common in the U.S. Also, my leather boots last me (and I%26#039;m serious) 20 years of more. I%26#039;m doing less environmental harm by wearing leather than by buying crappy artificial materials that have to be replaced frequently. In life, sometimes we just have to make tough choices out of practicality. To really be environmentally conscious, you would need to know how the artifical shoes were manufactured and how much energy was used to do so; how much pollution resulted--a lot of stuff that would be hard to learn. If you use leather, your inquiries are much more limited. You know the animal was raised and killed, but it wasn%26#039;t killed just to create leather. Anyway, very good question.
Reply:You draw the line where you feel most comfortable drawing it. The transition from vegetarianism into veganism is a fluid concept with no 100%. The baseline is set, but after that we find where we feel most comfortable and most able to succeed. Right now you are making good progress in your vegetarianism. When you feel ready to take the next step, then you take it.
The only people who %26quot;fail%26quot; at veg*anism are those who do too much too fast and they don%26#039;t know how to function.
You may want to take a bit more time to look for non-leather shoes because I can see how uncomfortable it would be to wear animal skin. Or get a pair of leather now and look for non-leather pairs to wear in the future. Until then, you are a vegetarian who owns a pair of leather shoes.
:)
There are honestly a lot of good non-leather shoes out there. I got a pair of vegan Docs about 5 years ago and I am still wearing them. Check out the mooshoes websites; they may have what you want.
Reply:Maybe you could look for some gently used leather shoes from a yard sale, thrift store or friends/neighbors? That way you%26#039;re making use of something that would have gone to waste otherwise.
Reply:The way the world is, it%26#039;s impossible to be completely cruelty free. Do what you can, but if there are shoes that are made better that aren%26#039;t vegan and you have no good alternative, buy the non-vegan shoes. I%26#039;m actually in the same dilemma right now. The only shoes I can find that are completely vegan friendly come from Wal-Mart...and they don%26#039;t look like they%26#039;d make good jogging shoes. Don%26#039;t feel bad if you have to do things that don%26#039;t agree with your way of life, since there really would be no decent alternative anyway. Just be glad you%26#039;re doing all you can which is more than most people can say.
Reply:Hooray!! someone else who won%26#039;t drink milk or eat eggs. I won%26#039;t either. My reason is different than yours though. You see, my dad made my brother %26amp; I clean the cows utters with this smelly antibacterial stuff before he milked them. I couldn%26#039;t stand it. Just the thought of drinking milk after cleaning utters, is utterly (DUH) disgusting. I also had to gather eggs, 200 chicken and clean the coops. But I do applaud you. I wish my husband would be vegatarian, I would rather go without meat. I won%26#039;t by any clothes, shoes, that are made from animals. Many say, %26quot;What%26#039;s the difference, the animal is already dead, why not use all of it?%26quot; There are so many pro%26#039;s %26amp; cons about that. If people stopped eating meat, our planet would be overun with domesticate animals that we farm. I just don%26#039;t like they way they slaughter them. The same for shell fish. I won%26#039;t eat that either, I think there has to be a better way to kill lobster than dropping them in boiling water. I saw my mother do it once because my dad caught a lobster. This was in the 50%26#039;s. We actually heard a terrible sound come from that poor animal. Boy, I sure got off the track, I%26#039;m sorry, If I were you, I would buy the crappy shoes. Bad side of that is, they won%26#039;t last long. Tough choice for you to make.
Reply:The Internet, actually, opens the whole world to you. Shop on-line! When you chose a lifestyle that is a bit out of the norm, it takes a little effort. Good for you, but don%26#039;t get lazy! Just because your lifestyle takes a little more planning and effort doesn%26#039;t mean you should just throw your hands up in despair!
Reply:I don%26#039;t know what to tell you, I guess it depends on how badly you need the shoes? Can you not go on Ebay and find some crappy non leather shoes? From a personal point of view, I would buy the leather shoes. Why? The leather shoes will fit better, and last longer than the non leather, as well as allowing your feet to breathe to help prevent foot odor. I applaud your dedication though.
Reply:what a big question hard to read and answer!
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Have We Become Just A Nation Of Hypocrites In How We Show Our Patriotism ?
With the foreign made cars we drive? The made in China American flags we wave? Or the made in Viet Nam Niki shoes that we wear?
Try this out for irony:
Doesn’t anyone here care that both China and Viet Nam are still communist countries and by buying their products we are helping to keep their form of government alive?
Are you supporting America or are you supporting and feeding the greed of a handful of Americans who are outsourcing our jobs and our future to other countries?
I%26#039;m not an Obama supporter and won%26#039;t vote for him but maybe, just maybe, Obama has a point!
Have We Become Just A Nation Of Hypocrites In How We Show Our Patriotism ?
Don%26#039;t bother, today they call communists taking our manufacturing sector as %26quot;free trade%26quot;. They would rather see more comunist countries to exploit, as long as they don%26#039;t have to live in one.
Just as some people have a problem differentiating between bad policies, and our troops, they likewise have a problem with seeing the difference between%26quot;free exploitation%26quot; and %26quot;free trade%26quot;.
They would like to see Americans making .50 a day, unable to afford what they produce, as long as they don%26#039;t have to live that way, hence their hatred for labor standards, and labor unions.
Reply:(this was actually an answer to the question...%26#039; do you think the fires of hell will be hot enough for Bush An Cheney%26#039;, but it fits here as well!....hypocrisy its best! )
Dude your question says it all!!!
And to those who are still to weak to admit that you are still under the spell of George Bush and Dick Cheney,
its time for all of you to open your eyes!
Buying into the %26#039;terrorism%26#039; fear tactics by these very smart...corruptly smart men, is just proof of how almost genius their plan is. Terrorism is nothing new! Its been around for hundreds of years if not thousands.
Other lands have spread fear through mass killings. But our government has chosen to destroy the homes and the lives of so many innocent people in of all places Iraq. As much as you brainwashed Americans want to believe that what we are doing is right, we have done nothing but not only add fuel to the fire, but we have become the fire!!!
Fact....Iraq had nothing to do with the 9/11...nothing!
Fact....Outside of being a nasty dictator, in his own country...whose people allowed it, Saddam Hussien was no threat to anyone!
Fact...In the world of high-tech, the U.N. was doing a thorough and exhaustive search using technology that many of us doesn%26#039;t even know exist! What would it have hurt to let them do their job?
Fact....What has been happening in Darfur since 2002!!!.....the Genocide the has murdered and raped so many innocent civilians, far outweighs what was happening in Iraq! But where is the freedom fighting America??? Its in Iraq, fighting in a country that has not attacked us in any way! And now there is talk of attacking the much now-feared Iran. You see the plan has always been to associate terror with a %26#039;face%26#039;!
A real human being. And now that Osama Bin-laden is starting to lose its punch so to speak, once again our president and vice-president have figured that...%26quot;the more the merrier%26quot;! So now its Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Attack Iran!!!! Think people! It would mean another 2 to 7 year commitment of trillions of dollars! 100,000,000,000,000.....just in case you don%26#039;t really know what a trillion dollars looks like! Thats just one trillion.
Fact...By invading Iraq and spending so much time there, not only Iraq but so many other countries now know just how we operate. After a few years, it was figured out that IED%26#039;s were an indefensible weapon!
We have simply provided a training ground and given hundreds of thousands who normally have nothing to attach themselves to, a reason for themselves to be %26quot;patriots%26quot;! The only reason for such a horrible strategy would only be to keep war going!
Fact...major companies in which either Bush and Cheney were on the board of directors or held interest in...have profited big time for our...thats me and you....money!!!! We are the ones paying these companies through our taxes...from the government which is run by both Dick Cheney and George Bush!
This is not a hard thing to put together and see just what has happened when Bush and Cheney were elected. But some of you just don%26#039;t want to believe that these men have in fact %26quot;USED%26quot; the white house for personal gain...or should I say %26#039;private%26#039; gains.
The question is really not just how hot the fires are going to be for Bush and Cheney, but if whether or not the potential hell that may be coming for us as a nation, we will be able to stand! And believe me...it could get really hot if we allow these two men to take us deeper in our aggressive actions to innocent countries. Should Iran be called out for any thing that can be proven that they have done...absolutely! But the United States of America single handedly possibly starting a world war by attacking Iran is not democracy at all. Unless attacked...the United States should be the one country whose skill in diplomacy should be the example for the world!
Now you tell me......none of this makes sense to you?
If the answer is no....it just got a little bit hotter!!!!!
Reply:You CAN%26#039;T be a Patriot- WITHOUT being a Hypocrite. THAT%26#039;s the Flaw in Nationalism. If We truely ARE the %26quot;land of the free%26quot; for ALL people, and we want cheap products %26amp; unlimited access to the World%26#039;s markets, then we%26#039;re GOING to Outsource %26amp; buy from other Countries- because Capitolism knows NO Borders... %26amp; who%26#039;s going to pay for someone %26quot;else%26#039;s%26quot; -patriotism??!
Reply:personally, I think Obama makes many good points...
more than any other candidate...
and it%26#039;s rediculously hypocritical...
China has numerous rights violations every year... probably many that we don%26#039;t even know about...
yet they get favored nation trading status?
why?
because we make money off of it... or investors make money off of it... if you%26#039;re not an investor, you%26#039;re probably not making money...
Reply:I love how the righties will call Dems/Libs %26quot;commies%26quot; because we favor programs that go to help our citizens, yet they%26#039;ll defend sending money to these %26quot;evil%26quot; communists country all while patting themselves on the back for being patriots.
Does common sense or rational thinking ever factor into the way these people think? Do they not know the definition of hypocrisy? How can one talk about patriotism, then call it%26#039;s own citizens communists for supporting programs that are designed to only help OUR citizens, then defend companies that literally fund and support communists nations? What gives?
Reply:Human societies have evolved by trading with each other. Trading and buying each others products does not imply a lack of patriotism. Bashing one%26#039;s country does. however. I am not saying that you are, BTW.
Reply:You may add to your question that if it is OK to do business with china, why is it not OK to do business with Cuba just next door? At least Cubans are our neighbors. What makes the chinese better communists?
Reply:You can buy flags made in America, you know. Does intentionally shunning the U.S. flag because of NAFTA (which Clinton(D) passed) show some kind of patriotism? If so it%26#039;s an odd brand of it.
Reply:You have a valid concern, however the issues are much more complex than that. A great majority of our (republican initiated) national debt is now owed to China. If we as a nation were to %26quot;pressure%26quot; Beijing, we would pay the cost in increasingly higher inflation and interest rates as our friends to the east would rapidly begin to collect our debt. If we were to simply not pay it, our credit rating with the rest of the world would plummet and we would be literally crushed into a recession.
We also have to live with the reality that we can%26#039;t choose other people%26#039;s government system for them, and we can%26#039;t afford to NOT take advantage of what china has to offer--even if they exploit their workers.
If we were to suspend trade with china, other foreign firms would pick up the slack, and they would be getting their products from--China. China is the world%26#039;s manufacturing capital, and its something that we just have to live with. China is changing from internal pressure, they are just incredibly slow to change.
Frankly, I have no problem with trading with China overall, because the more reliant our two countries are economically, the less chance there is for war.
As far as Patriotism is concerned, it has nothing to do with international trade.
Reply:3 years ago I needed a new car and wanted a hybrid to save money on gas and do my small part toward making the Earth a better place. I had always bought American cars. I wanted an American made car but there were NO AMERICAN MADE HYBRIDS AVAILABLE. I ended up buying another American made fuel burning car and then gas prices shot through the roof.
Over the past few years Toyota and Honda hybrid sales in America have been great because American auto makers were too slow to produce hybrids. Meanwhile, the American auto companies have been losing billions and laying off thousands of workers but their greedy CEO%26#039;s are still making millions and flying in private jets.
The most un-American company right now is Walmart yet most of their shoppers can%26#039;t afford to shop anywhere else or are just too plain dumb to understand that they%26#039;re screwing their own country...
Over the past 6+ years America has become a shameful extension of the greedy crooks who are Bush%26#039;s and Cheney%26#039;s cronies. I still can%26#039;t believe all of those millions of people voted for them AGAIN in 2004. What a terrible shame...
Patriotism? Yeah, sure... At this point Obama, Clinton, Edwards, whichever one gets in has a hell of a job to do getting this country back on track.
Fred Thompson? If America votes in another greedy cowboy crook I%26#039;m moving to Canada...
Reply:BUY AMERICAN MADE PRODUCTS MADE BY SCAB FREE UNION MANUFACTURING!!!
And yes it is unpatriotic. The government does it too, but lets be honest not many presidents or congressmen are PATRIOTS. Most of them are cowards that worship their allmighty dollar.
Reply:I do not believe I am an American Hypocrite. I am an American Patriot. I was a USAF B52 Pilot during the Viet Nam war. I put my money where my mouth was, and supported our country in time of war. Are you willing to do the same? I drive a Chrysler, that was made in America by a German Company. My TVs are all Japanese because no American Company makes them anymore. My computer is HP but most of its components are made outside the US.
There really is only one solution. For businesses to find ways to build it here cheaper than they can outsource it. Right now I do not think that that is possible. The only thing you can do yourself is start a boycott campaign against American Companies who outsource jobs. Stop buying foreign goods.
Reply:No not at all, why doe%26#039;s it have to be USA v the rest of the world, if me a brit buys a Ford car back home do I not love Britain etc, of course not. Or doe%26#039;s it not count when a foriegner is buying US goods. US probably exports more good to other countries that any other and you should be proud that your country has so many resources.
And if you agree with Obama why not vote for him, too many people in USA treat polical parties like football teams and wouldn%26#039;t vote for the other even if there candidate was the devil himself??
Reply:I only lisen to Rush cuz he is always rite, and i drives a ford cause my daddy did. Them commies kin go to h e double l.
Reply:Well if we got unions under rational control, switched our health care to HSA%26#039;s, didn%26#039;t ruin business with lunatic environmental regulations, and got rid of capital gains and corporate taxes. Maybe more businesses would stay in the US instead of moving overseas where business restrictions and regulations are more laxed. And the democrats are the ones that are forcing businesses to flee because of the high taxation, giving unions nearly unlimited negotiating power, making companies provide health insurance and imposing ludacris environmental regulations.
As for buying foreign goods, I don%26#039;t find that to be unpatriotic or hypocritical.
credot siosse
Try this out for irony:
Doesn’t anyone here care that both China and Viet Nam are still communist countries and by buying their products we are helping to keep their form of government alive?
Are you supporting America or are you supporting and feeding the greed of a handful of Americans who are outsourcing our jobs and our future to other countries?
I%26#039;m not an Obama supporter and won%26#039;t vote for him but maybe, just maybe, Obama has a point!
Have We Become Just A Nation Of Hypocrites In How We Show Our Patriotism ?
Don%26#039;t bother, today they call communists taking our manufacturing sector as %26quot;free trade%26quot;. They would rather see more comunist countries to exploit, as long as they don%26#039;t have to live in one.
Just as some people have a problem differentiating between bad policies, and our troops, they likewise have a problem with seeing the difference between%26quot;free exploitation%26quot; and %26quot;free trade%26quot;.
They would like to see Americans making .50 a day, unable to afford what they produce, as long as they don%26#039;t have to live that way, hence their hatred for labor standards, and labor unions.
Reply:(this was actually an answer to the question...%26#039; do you think the fires of hell will be hot enough for Bush An Cheney%26#039;, but it fits here as well!....hypocrisy its best! )
Dude your question says it all!!!
And to those who are still to weak to admit that you are still under the spell of George Bush and Dick Cheney,
its time for all of you to open your eyes!
Buying into the %26#039;terrorism%26#039; fear tactics by these very smart...corruptly smart men, is just proof of how almost genius their plan is. Terrorism is nothing new! Its been around for hundreds of years if not thousands.
Other lands have spread fear through mass killings. But our government has chosen to destroy the homes and the lives of so many innocent people in of all places Iraq. As much as you brainwashed Americans want to believe that what we are doing is right, we have done nothing but not only add fuel to the fire, but we have become the fire!!!
Fact....Iraq had nothing to do with the 9/11...nothing!
Fact....Outside of being a nasty dictator, in his own country...whose people allowed it, Saddam Hussien was no threat to anyone!
Fact...In the world of high-tech, the U.N. was doing a thorough and exhaustive search using technology that many of us doesn%26#039;t even know exist! What would it have hurt to let them do their job?
Fact....What has been happening in Darfur since 2002!!!.....the Genocide the has murdered and raped so many innocent civilians, far outweighs what was happening in Iraq! But where is the freedom fighting America??? Its in Iraq, fighting in a country that has not attacked us in any way! And now there is talk of attacking the much now-feared Iran. You see the plan has always been to associate terror with a %26#039;face%26#039;!
A real human being. And now that Osama Bin-laden is starting to lose its punch so to speak, once again our president and vice-president have figured that...%26quot;the more the merrier%26quot;! So now its Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Attack Iran!!!! Think people! It would mean another 2 to 7 year commitment of trillions of dollars! 100,000,000,000,000.....just in case you don%26#039;t really know what a trillion dollars looks like! Thats just one trillion.
Fact...By invading Iraq and spending so much time there, not only Iraq but so many other countries now know just how we operate. After a few years, it was figured out that IED%26#039;s were an indefensible weapon!
We have simply provided a training ground and given hundreds of thousands who normally have nothing to attach themselves to, a reason for themselves to be %26quot;patriots%26quot;! The only reason for such a horrible strategy would only be to keep war going!
Fact...major companies in which either Bush and Cheney were on the board of directors or held interest in...have profited big time for our...thats me and you....money!!!! We are the ones paying these companies through our taxes...from the government which is run by both Dick Cheney and George Bush!
This is not a hard thing to put together and see just what has happened when Bush and Cheney were elected. But some of you just don%26#039;t want to believe that these men have in fact %26quot;USED%26quot; the white house for personal gain...or should I say %26#039;private%26#039; gains.
The question is really not just how hot the fires are going to be for Bush and Cheney, but if whether or not the potential hell that may be coming for us as a nation, we will be able to stand! And believe me...it could get really hot if we allow these two men to take us deeper in our aggressive actions to innocent countries. Should Iran be called out for any thing that can be proven that they have done...absolutely! But the United States of America single handedly possibly starting a world war by attacking Iran is not democracy at all. Unless attacked...the United States should be the one country whose skill in diplomacy should be the example for the world!
Now you tell me......none of this makes sense to you?
If the answer is no....it just got a little bit hotter!!!!!
Reply:You CAN%26#039;T be a Patriot- WITHOUT being a Hypocrite. THAT%26#039;s the Flaw in Nationalism. If We truely ARE the %26quot;land of the free%26quot; for ALL people, and we want cheap products %26amp; unlimited access to the World%26#039;s markets, then we%26#039;re GOING to Outsource %26amp; buy from other Countries- because Capitolism knows NO Borders... %26amp; who%26#039;s going to pay for someone %26quot;else%26#039;s%26quot; -patriotism??!
Reply:personally, I think Obama makes many good points...
more than any other candidate...
and it%26#039;s rediculously hypocritical...
China has numerous rights violations every year... probably many that we don%26#039;t even know about...
yet they get favored nation trading status?
why?
because we make money off of it... or investors make money off of it... if you%26#039;re not an investor, you%26#039;re probably not making money...
Reply:I love how the righties will call Dems/Libs %26quot;commies%26quot; because we favor programs that go to help our citizens, yet they%26#039;ll defend sending money to these %26quot;evil%26quot; communists country all while patting themselves on the back for being patriots.
Does common sense or rational thinking ever factor into the way these people think? Do they not know the definition of hypocrisy? How can one talk about patriotism, then call it%26#039;s own citizens communists for supporting programs that are designed to only help OUR citizens, then defend companies that literally fund and support communists nations? What gives?
Reply:Human societies have evolved by trading with each other. Trading and buying each others products does not imply a lack of patriotism. Bashing one%26#039;s country does. however. I am not saying that you are, BTW.
Reply:You may add to your question that if it is OK to do business with china, why is it not OK to do business with Cuba just next door? At least Cubans are our neighbors. What makes the chinese better communists?
Reply:You can buy flags made in America, you know. Does intentionally shunning the U.S. flag because of NAFTA (which Clinton(D) passed) show some kind of patriotism? If so it%26#039;s an odd brand of it.
Reply:You have a valid concern, however the issues are much more complex than that. A great majority of our (republican initiated) national debt is now owed to China. If we as a nation were to %26quot;pressure%26quot; Beijing, we would pay the cost in increasingly higher inflation and interest rates as our friends to the east would rapidly begin to collect our debt. If we were to simply not pay it, our credit rating with the rest of the world would plummet and we would be literally crushed into a recession.
We also have to live with the reality that we can%26#039;t choose other people%26#039;s government system for them, and we can%26#039;t afford to NOT take advantage of what china has to offer--even if they exploit their workers.
If we were to suspend trade with china, other foreign firms would pick up the slack, and they would be getting their products from--China. China is the world%26#039;s manufacturing capital, and its something that we just have to live with. China is changing from internal pressure, they are just incredibly slow to change.
Frankly, I have no problem with trading with China overall, because the more reliant our two countries are economically, the less chance there is for war.
As far as Patriotism is concerned, it has nothing to do with international trade.
Reply:3 years ago I needed a new car and wanted a hybrid to save money on gas and do my small part toward making the Earth a better place. I had always bought American cars. I wanted an American made car but there were NO AMERICAN MADE HYBRIDS AVAILABLE. I ended up buying another American made fuel burning car and then gas prices shot through the roof.
Over the past few years Toyota and Honda hybrid sales in America have been great because American auto makers were too slow to produce hybrids. Meanwhile, the American auto companies have been losing billions and laying off thousands of workers but their greedy CEO%26#039;s are still making millions and flying in private jets.
The most un-American company right now is Walmart yet most of their shoppers can%26#039;t afford to shop anywhere else or are just too plain dumb to understand that they%26#039;re screwing their own country...
Over the past 6+ years America has become a shameful extension of the greedy crooks who are Bush%26#039;s and Cheney%26#039;s cronies. I still can%26#039;t believe all of those millions of people voted for them AGAIN in 2004. What a terrible shame...
Patriotism? Yeah, sure... At this point Obama, Clinton, Edwards, whichever one gets in has a hell of a job to do getting this country back on track.
Fred Thompson? If America votes in another greedy cowboy crook I%26#039;m moving to Canada...
Reply:BUY AMERICAN MADE PRODUCTS MADE BY SCAB FREE UNION MANUFACTURING!!!
And yes it is unpatriotic. The government does it too, but lets be honest not many presidents or congressmen are PATRIOTS. Most of them are cowards that worship their allmighty dollar.
Reply:I do not believe I am an American Hypocrite. I am an American Patriot. I was a USAF B52 Pilot during the Viet Nam war. I put my money where my mouth was, and supported our country in time of war. Are you willing to do the same? I drive a Chrysler, that was made in America by a German Company. My TVs are all Japanese because no American Company makes them anymore. My computer is HP but most of its components are made outside the US.
There really is only one solution. For businesses to find ways to build it here cheaper than they can outsource it. Right now I do not think that that is possible. The only thing you can do yourself is start a boycott campaign against American Companies who outsource jobs. Stop buying foreign goods.
Reply:No not at all, why doe%26#039;s it have to be USA v the rest of the world, if me a brit buys a Ford car back home do I not love Britain etc, of course not. Or doe%26#039;s it not count when a foriegner is buying US goods. US probably exports more good to other countries that any other and you should be proud that your country has so many resources.
And if you agree with Obama why not vote for him, too many people in USA treat polical parties like football teams and wouldn%26#039;t vote for the other even if there candidate was the devil himself??
Reply:I only lisen to Rush cuz he is always rite, and i drives a ford cause my daddy did. Them commies kin go to h e double l.
Reply:Well if we got unions under rational control, switched our health care to HSA%26#039;s, didn%26#039;t ruin business with lunatic environmental regulations, and got rid of capital gains and corporate taxes. Maybe more businesses would stay in the US instead of moving overseas where business restrictions and regulations are more laxed. And the democrats are the ones that are forcing businesses to flee because of the high taxation, giving unions nearly unlimited negotiating power, making companies provide health insurance and imposing ludacris environmental regulations.
As for buying foreign goods, I don%26#039;t find that to be unpatriotic or hypocritical.
credot siosse
An answer fo Cares.who22?
Okay, get her some skinny jeans, some cool T-shirts, and maybe some black nail polish.
Here are some clothes from Pacsun she might like.
http://shop.pacsun.com/webapp/wcs/stores...
http://shop.pacsun.com/webapp/wcs/stores...
http://shop.pacsun.com/webapp/wcs/stores...
http://shop.pacsun.com/webapp/wcs/stores...
http://shop.pacsun.com/webapp/wcs/stores...
Clothes from Zumies.
http://www.zumies.com/zshop/ProductDetai...
http://www.zumies.com/zshop/ProductDetai...
http://www.zumies.com/zshop/ProductDetai...
http://www.zumies.com/zshop/ProductDetai...
http://www.zumies.com/zshop/ProductDetai...
Shoes from Famous Footwear.
http://www.famousfootwear.com/product.as...
http://www.famousfootwear.com/product.as...
http://www.famousfootwear.com/product.as...
http://www.famousfootwear.com/product.as...
You daughter doesn%26#039;t have to dye her hair to be skater. Here are some ways she might want to get it cut though.
http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z95/a...
http://myemohairstyles.com/images/emo_gi...
http://www.shiny-hair.com/wp-content/upl...
I really hope I helped! Good luck! =]
An answer fo Cares.who22?
Find her question and post this link as you answer. p.s she was in the adolescence section.
myspace quizzes
Here are some clothes from Pacsun she might like.
http://shop.pacsun.com/webapp/wcs/stores...
http://shop.pacsun.com/webapp/wcs/stores...
http://shop.pacsun.com/webapp/wcs/stores...
http://shop.pacsun.com/webapp/wcs/stores...
http://shop.pacsun.com/webapp/wcs/stores...
Clothes from Zumies.
http://www.zumies.com/zshop/ProductDetai...
http://www.zumies.com/zshop/ProductDetai...
http://www.zumies.com/zshop/ProductDetai...
http://www.zumies.com/zshop/ProductDetai...
http://www.zumies.com/zshop/ProductDetai...
Shoes from Famous Footwear.
http://www.famousfootwear.com/product.as...
http://www.famousfootwear.com/product.as...
http://www.famousfootwear.com/product.as...
http://www.famousfootwear.com/product.as...
You daughter doesn%26#039;t have to dye her hair to be skater. Here are some ways she might want to get it cut though.
http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z95/a...
http://myemohairstyles.com/images/emo_gi...
http://www.shiny-hair.com/wp-content/upl...
I really hope I helped! Good luck! =]
An answer fo Cares.who22?
Find her question and post this link as you answer. p.s she was in the adolescence section.
myspace quizzes
Do you like these shoes?
http://www.kohls.com/products/product_pa...
http://www.journeys.com/catalog_detail.a...
and which do you like better?
http://www.journeys.com/catalog_detail.a...
http://slimages.macys.com/is/image/MCY/p... (black)
I%26#039;m in 8th grade, by the way. I%26#039;m probably gonna get a shorter heel. Or find some way to break it in. Lol.
Oh yeah, and I don%26#039;t care if you like DC or whatever better. Etnies are comfy. %26lt;3
Thanks!
Do you like these shoes?
My neice wears Etnies and Baby Phats in fact I bought her 2 pairs of each for christmas this past year. Of the first two I perfer the Etnies. Of the second pair the first pair I pefer but Im also 35 and can pull them off. I wouldnt buy them for your age group they are nice but kinda a bit to grown up.And I doubt you could get a %26quot;lower heel or break them in%26quot; you dont break in heels like that sweet heart the heel stays that size. Dont be in such a rush to grow up, its not that fun once you get there.
Reply:i love the shoes from journeys
i dont really like the ones from kohls and macys though
Reply:The Kohls Shoes or the Etnies...
they both are cute and look comfy...
i am assuming this is for school...
DO NOT GET HIGH HEELS!!!
Good Luck!!!
Reply:i like the 2nd one
and the 4th one in black
depends if u want everyday shoes go for the second one
but it kinda looks like its for guys
so i think go for some diff. flats
Reply:i loove the first pair!!
the second pair-ook
3rd is very cute!
the last one(s) is/are cute too!!
but the 1st is my fave
Reply:i like the second and third pair the other two aren%26#039;t that great looking although if you like them then whats it matter?
Reply:etnies and black jeweled
Reply:i personaly like the Womens Sarah-Jayne Cintia - Black but i also like the media ballet flats the flats are more me though but whatever its your call
Reply:OMG!!!
I looooooove the ones from khols(brown) I think i wanna go and get some..
~have fun~
Reply:The flats are not my favorite, The etnies are cool but i would probably choose a diff. color, I ABSOLUTLEY LOVE the heels from journeys!!!, i dont care for the heels from macys!
Reply:I like them all except the kohls ones. :-)
i%26#039;m going into 8th grade too!! :-D
Reply:i dont rly like either of the first two but i LOVEE the ones from journeys
http://www.journeys.com/catalog_detail.a...
Reply:1. journeys etnies. GREAT choice, i have etnies also.
2. the second ones they look...less complicated.
im also (going) into 8th grade. have fun!
Reply:i dont like any of those shoes, but for the high heels, i like the first pair from journeys BETTER. etnies are totally cheesball.
Reply:I love the flats! The ethnies...not so sure. And the heels, I like the first ones. =]
Reply:Okay out of the first two I liked teh ones from Journey%26#039;s much better.
And out of the second two I liked the ones from Macys better. :)
Reply:i think the pair from Kohl%26#039;s are the cutest
Reply:I like the Etnies and the black jeweled heels.
Reply:i think all the heels and pumps look a bit cheap tbh
etnies are ok but in black
Reply:The ones from Kohls are so cute!!
I don%26#039;t like the etnies...aren%26#039;t you a girly-girl..all your other shoes are very girly, then you throw those in there...weird. If you want comfort...try anything by sketchers.
As for the heels, the first pair look uncomfortable, but the 2nd pair (Macys) is supercute.
Try these instead of the etnies.
http://www.skechers.com/catalog/browse.d...
or if you really need a sneaker, try these
http://www.skechers.com/catalog/browse.d...
http://www.skechers.com/catalog/browse.d...
http://www.skechers.com/catalog/browse.d...
http://www.skechers.com/catalog/browse.d...
Reply:The second ones. Journeys etnies. the rest are ugly something i wouldnt wear sorry!!
Reply:i like the very first ones because they were the only ones that suit a gr. 8. the second ones are ugly (not my style, anyway) and the 3rd and 4th ones are for women at least 20 years old!!
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http://www.journeys.com/catalog_detail.a...
and which do you like better?
http://www.journeys.com/catalog_detail.a...
http://slimages.macys.com/is/image/MCY/p... (black)
I%26#039;m in 8th grade, by the way. I%26#039;m probably gonna get a shorter heel. Or find some way to break it in. Lol.
Oh yeah, and I don%26#039;t care if you like DC or whatever better. Etnies are comfy. %26lt;3
Thanks!
Do you like these shoes?
My neice wears Etnies and Baby Phats in fact I bought her 2 pairs of each for christmas this past year. Of the first two I perfer the Etnies. Of the second pair the first pair I pefer but Im also 35 and can pull them off. I wouldnt buy them for your age group they are nice but kinda a bit to grown up.And I doubt you could get a %26quot;lower heel or break them in%26quot; you dont break in heels like that sweet heart the heel stays that size. Dont be in such a rush to grow up, its not that fun once you get there.
Reply:i love the shoes from journeys
i dont really like the ones from kohls and macys though
Reply:The Kohls Shoes or the Etnies...
they both are cute and look comfy...
i am assuming this is for school...
DO NOT GET HIGH HEELS!!!
Good Luck!!!
Reply:i like the 2nd one
and the 4th one in black
depends if u want everyday shoes go for the second one
but it kinda looks like its for guys
so i think go for some diff. flats
Reply:i loove the first pair!!
the second pair-ook
3rd is very cute!
the last one(s) is/are cute too!!
but the 1st is my fave
Reply:i like the second and third pair the other two aren%26#039;t that great looking although if you like them then whats it matter?
Reply:etnies and black jeweled
Reply:i personaly like the Womens Sarah-Jayne Cintia - Black but i also like the media ballet flats the flats are more me though but whatever its your call
Reply:OMG!!!
I looooooove the ones from khols(brown) I think i wanna go and get some..
~have fun~
Reply:The flats are not my favorite, The etnies are cool but i would probably choose a diff. color, I ABSOLUTLEY LOVE the heels from journeys!!!, i dont care for the heels from macys!
Reply:I like them all except the kohls ones. :-)
i%26#039;m going into 8th grade too!! :-D
Reply:i dont rly like either of the first two but i LOVEE the ones from journeys
http://www.journeys.com/catalog_detail.a...
Reply:1. journeys etnies. GREAT choice, i have etnies also.
2. the second ones they look...less complicated.
im also (going) into 8th grade. have fun!
Reply:i dont like any of those shoes, but for the high heels, i like the first pair from journeys BETTER. etnies are totally cheesball.
Reply:I love the flats! The ethnies...not so sure. And the heels, I like the first ones. =]
Reply:Okay out of the first two I liked teh ones from Journey%26#039;s much better.
And out of the second two I liked the ones from Macys better. :)
Reply:i think the pair from Kohl%26#039;s are the cutest
Reply:I like the Etnies and the black jeweled heels.
Reply:i think all the heels and pumps look a bit cheap tbh
etnies are ok but in black
Reply:The ones from Kohls are so cute!!
I don%26#039;t like the etnies...aren%26#039;t you a girly-girl..all your other shoes are very girly, then you throw those in there...weird. If you want comfort...try anything by sketchers.
As for the heels, the first pair look uncomfortable, but the 2nd pair (Macys) is supercute.
Try these instead of the etnies.
http://www.skechers.com/catalog/browse.d...
or if you really need a sneaker, try these
http://www.skechers.com/catalog/browse.d...
http://www.skechers.com/catalog/browse.d...
http://www.skechers.com/catalog/browse.d...
http://www.skechers.com/catalog/browse.d...
Reply:The second ones. Journeys etnies. the rest are ugly something i wouldnt wear sorry!!
Reply:i like the very first ones because they were the only ones that suit a gr. 8. the second ones are ugly (not my style, anyway) and the 3rd and 4th ones are for women at least 20 years old!!
horses for loan
What shoes go with this shorts?
i%26#039;m a guy!! http://www.hollisterco.com/webapp/wcs/st... i don%26#039;t care if u think the question is gay as long as u answer it!! :)
What shoes go with this shorts?
A summery sandal of some kind - like a leather flip-flop, and a tan. Do not under any circumstances wear trainers and socks
Reply:http://www.ae.com/web/browse/product.jsp...
these or clogs similar.
Reply:white adidas with the black stripes
Reply:I would have to say dark flip flops would look best. Try the kind with thin soles a plait pattern.
Reply:Flip-flops or Birkenstocks.
Reply:rainbow sandals go cute....ummm... some nice Reebok classics...very sexy on males with cute ankles and hairy legs
Reply:umm... ive wore shoes with shorts a bunch of times and ive seen a looooot of other people at my school wear shoes with shorts.
visualarts
What shoes go with this shorts?
A summery sandal of some kind - like a leather flip-flop, and a tan. Do not under any circumstances wear trainers and socks
Reply:http://www.ae.com/web/browse/product.jsp...
these or clogs similar.
Reply:white adidas with the black stripes
Reply:I would have to say dark flip flops would look best. Try the kind with thin soles a plait pattern.
Reply:Flip-flops or Birkenstocks.
Reply:rainbow sandals go cute....ummm... some nice Reebok classics...very sexy on males with cute ankles and hairy legs
Reply:umm... ive wore shoes with shorts a bunch of times and ive seen a looooot of other people at my school wear shoes with shorts.
visualarts
Are Dr. Martens good shoes, which ones do you like?
http://www.hottopic.com/hottopic/store/p...
http://www.hottopic.com/hottopic/store/p...
http://www.hottopic.com/hottopic/store/p...
I don%26#039;t care if they match my clothes or not, most of them are black but I do have some purple, blue, pinkish, and green, + yellow... so I don%26#039;t limit my colors. I am not Gothic or punk, or emo but I love Hot Topic... so please don%26#039;t ay black because everyone has black and I%26#039;d be more of a copy cat since I don%26#039;t dress hard core anything.
Are Dr. Martens good shoes, which ones do you like?
Go for the yellow...
Reply:Dr. Marten%26#039;s are great shoes, they are very durable. I have worn them for years and I have over 30 pairs. I love the white ones they are different.
Reply:i think there ugly sorry. look like duck hunting shoes or like the shoes that are attached to waders
Reply:They are a little heavy, but very well made.
I like the pink. Check out the drmartens website too.
visual arts
http://www.hottopic.com/hottopic/store/p...
http://www.hottopic.com/hottopic/store/p...
I don%26#039;t care if they match my clothes or not, most of them are black but I do have some purple, blue, pinkish, and green, + yellow... so I don%26#039;t limit my colors. I am not Gothic or punk, or emo but I love Hot Topic... so please don%26#039;t ay black because everyone has black and I%26#039;d be more of a copy cat since I don%26#039;t dress hard core anything.
Are Dr. Martens good shoes, which ones do you like?
Go for the yellow...
Reply:Dr. Marten%26#039;s are great shoes, they are very durable. I have worn them for years and I have over 30 pairs. I love the white ones they are different.
Reply:i think there ugly sorry. look like duck hunting shoes or like the shoes that are attached to waders
Reply:They are a little heavy, but very well made.
I like the pink. Check out the drmartens website too.
visual arts
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